Score: 2,511
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Enduro [Kilometres * 10] 2,511 points
Enduro [Kilometres * 10] 2,511 points
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You need to repost this.  Your score is actually 251.1 (or just 251 rounded down), NOT 2511.

-- Posted by DarrylB on 2019-09-21 13:32:45   Reply
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@DarrylB:

No need to, it only complicate stuff having it scored like miles. Could add [Miles * 10] for no one to be confused, and get rid of the decimal smiley

-- Posted by Frankie on 2019-09-21 13:59:15   Reply
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Kilometres * 10

251.1 * 10 = 2511

-- Posted by Frankie on 2019-09-21 14:06:21   Reply
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@Frankie: Yes voting
-- Posted by omargeddon on 2019-09-21 14:31:34   Reply
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There are other Enduro tracks, and none of them have this arbitrary score reporting system. No offense, Frankie, but what youve done actually complicates it more. Youre requiring people to use a formula to report the score. You are not yhe only person who will ever submit ZX scores. Im voting no unless you remove the "*10" requirement. It's ridiculous.
-- Posted by ZilchSr on 2019-09-21 14:45:27   Reply
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I'll remind the community that consistency is important, and this kind of score concoction requirement is inconsistent with every other track on the site.
-- Posted by ZilchSr on 2019-09-21 14:47:16   Reply
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@ZilchSr:

Then vote no. Its not like its the hardest formula, and this is not a time score, so not easy to enter using the time formula. Its much easier like this. We do that with a lot of sports games aswell, ad no one complains about that. No offense, but it will stay like this. Go on and vote no.

-- Posted by Frankie on 2019-09-21 15:12:48   Reply
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And rounding down is just plain stupid.

-- Posted by Frankie on 2019-09-21 15:21:59   Reply
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@Frankie:

Still not correct.  Just look at every single score that passed here on the original 2600 version of Enduro:

http://highscore.com/game/?g=837&enterscore=1

The last digit is a decimal, or 1/10th of a mile, not an *additional* mile.

-- Posted by DarrylB on 2019-09-21 15:50:08   Reply
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@DarrylB:

No, but if you do times 10 it gives a different score for every possible distance, unlike when you round down, where a player with 251.4 gets the same score as one “only” doing 251.1, which is stupid. In sports games with height and character scores we also do times 10 or times 100 depending on what suits best, we don’t go in and use the time score for scores that isn’t scored as a time score, and we don’t round down or up, as to many would get the same score. What you guys do on your consoles is up to you, on this system it will be scored like this.

-- Posted by Frankie on 2019-09-21 17:24:18   Reply
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@Frankie: "My way is more comfortable for me, rather than the way its always been done everywhere else, because I said, and since Im the guy who creates and manages the tracks, screw the rest of the community, even though most of them think me doing my own thing is preposterous." Got it. ;-)
-- Posted by ZilchSr on 2019-09-21 19:28:00   Reply
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@ZilchSr:

2 people is most of us? Don’t you guys get that your way of scoring it, that scores from 250.0 to 250.9 all gets the same score? That is stupid. I’ve been involved with highscore sites for many years, and scores like this has always been scored with a simple formula like this one. I’ve never seen scores being “rounded” down, that’s not very clever, no matter how many think it is wink

-- Posted by Frankie on 2019-09-21 22:39:52   Reply
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@Frankie: ... and that changes absolutely nothing about what Ive said so far. We get it, man. Youre the boss of that platform. Do what you want, as if that wasn'tvalways the plan from the start. ¯\_(?)_/¯
-- Posted by ZilchSr on 2019-09-21 23:34:19   Reply
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It's not like I had any plans of ever playing on a ZX anyway ... if I did have plans to, I damned sure wouldn't knowing that you're at the reins pissing all over it marking your territory.
-- Posted by ZilchSr on 2019-09-21 23:36:51   Reply
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In conclusion, "One or two other tracks have this ridiculous scheme that is inconsistent with methods used on every other platform on every sute including this one, too, so therefore, there's nothing wrong with me concocting my own arbitrary mechanisms for score reporting, and go piss off if you don't like it because I'm the boss of this here ZX platform. Don't worry if you ever forget that I'm the goddamn king of this platform ... Ill be more than glad to remind you." is a pretty douchey approach, imho.
-- Posted by ZilchSr on 2019-09-21 23:42:48   Reply
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... or, you could simply change the track title to "Enduro (tenths of a km)", which would make "1000" an accurate report for a score of 100.0km. Whichever. Idgaf anymore.
-- Posted by ZilchSr on 2019-09-21 23:45:41   Reply
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... and seriously ... you seriously believe that the two people who just so happen to speak up are the only 2 who find your scheme ridiculous? I'm pretty sure the no votes you're getting on this exceeds two. Just sayin'.
-- Posted by ZilchSr on 2019-09-22 08:08:17   Reply
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... or it may be only 2. Hell, I don't know.
-- Posted by ZilchSr on 2019-09-22 08:11:31   Reply
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@ZilchSr:

I’m done with this. I can’t accept a scoring system where 215.4 gives the same score as 215.9. If someone beats the topscore on decimals but get the same score because its rounded down, that player might get first together with the other player (with the worse score), but he’ll not get the trophy for first, as that is given to the player that gets there first like with games that can be maxed out. How can that be fair? Now you can come with 5-6 more messages were you swear at me, but I won’t reply. This is my final say, its a stupid way to score it, sorry.

-- Posted by Frankie on 2019-09-22 08:36:05   Reply
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@Frankie: ...and what if the title was called Enduro [Last digit included] ???
-- Posted by omargeddon on 2019-09-22 12:34:42   Reply
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@Frankie: The Pole Position game for Atari 2600 includes the last 2 digits.
-- Posted by omargeddon on 2019-09-22 12:41:45   Reply
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@omargeddon:

That was how I scored it in the first place, and was attacked for doing so, therefore I added the formula to get last digit included without any confusion about it. Either way its the same, and its not a difficult formula to work with, while your suggestion is the same but some who don’t know the game it might confuse smiley

-- Posted by Frankie on 2019-09-22 14:15:41   Reply
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@ZilchSr:

It's a site flaw to not be able to post decimals. We've solved this for years like how Frankie proposed it. Many examples like all summer winter california Games . Nothing complicated . And not only on Spectrum platform. 

+1

-- Posted by GTibel on 2019-09-22 14:39:49   Reply
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@DarrylB:

The initial score dates back from 2014. From the time members didn't think that 2330.2 would have the same spot as 2330.4. Vectorman rounded up, Zilch rounded down.

If too many people posted a score like Vectorman , we just follow that s rule. So no x10 or so. Like I said, blame Serious not handling this decimal input . So we solved it since many years by applying a formula.

You can't  deny that it would be illogical that a score of 2300.3 would have the number one spot over a score of 2300.4.

And don't harrish people because of it. We're  just playing games. This is not TG after all. 

-- Posted by GTibel on 2019-09-22 15:17:59   Reply
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@GTibel:

yes

-- Posted by omargeddon on 2019-09-22 20:10:03   Reply
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@GTibel:

Well said yes

-- Posted by Frankie on 2019-09-22 22:12:41   Reply
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@Frankie:

What you guys do on your consoles is up to you,

Excuse you?  The way an odometer works for the consoles, this version and in REAL LIFE is VERY much the same.

Play the game again.  Look very closely at the very last digit.  It does NOT go the exact same speed as all the other digits because it's moving at one tenth of a kilometer if that's the way it is set for the ZX version (or a tenth of a mile if your version runs on miles; I don't know, nor care, really).  The original 2600 verison moved at one tenth of a mile and REAL odometers ALSO move at the same speed.  Go ahead and find either an older car with an odometer like this one or a current one where the last digit (where that digit runs at either a tenth of a kilometer or a tenth of a mile) and record it.  I can guarantee you it will run in almost the exact same fashion (I say "almost" since this game isn't exactly accurate, due to indestructable cars and the like, obviously).

Tens, if not literally a hundred million cars have been made with odometers behaving in this exact manner for decades now.  Hell, you can buy one for a freaking bicycle, attach it and it'll respond in the exact same manner, it'll just move way slower than a car (*I* had one myself as a kid!).  Or were all those tons of millions of cars over all these years with odometers describing how they work just a conspiracy theory?

Also, check out this video on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmF8gvtklT8

Notice anything fishy?  Yep, it runs the exact same way as odometers have for dozens of years (again, minus not 100% accuracy, like with indestructable cars and all for Enduro).  No, that's not fishy at all, it's FACT.  That last number is for a tenth of a mile, NOT a thousand.  Yep, I said earlier that the last number isn't for an extra mile when I meant a thousand.  See?  I make mistakes too and I can admit them.

I'm right here, you're wrong, just like all the other scores on the 2600 page aren't, and it's not a matter of doing what we want on "your consoles".

My God, I thought *I* was ignorant about cars, but even I know how a freaking odometer works.  Hell, I can record my own odometer and you'll see where it runs the exact same speed/manner if you want.

The last number if for tenth of a mile, NOT an extra thousand.

-- Posted by DarrylB on 2019-09-22 22:27:16   Reply
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@Frankie:

2 people is most of us?

Along with all the other scores on 2600 Enduro that scored it correctly?  What about them?  That's well more than two.

Don’t you guys get that your way of scoring it, that scores from 250.0 to 250.9 all gets the same score? That is stupid.

No,what's "stupid" is where you got that from.  I think it was back in elementary school where I learned that, in most cases in general, you round down .1 to .4 down and .5 to .9 up to the nearest tenth.  So where are you getting this nonsense from?  I've never said that on these forums ANYWHERE, and this discussion has been had before.  So who are these "guys" you're talking about?  I've never believed, nor stated otherwise in believing in this system of yours that you're claiming we believe in.  It's bunk and I've never said otherwise.

-- Posted by DarrylB on 2019-09-22 22:31:20   Reply
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@Frankie:

I can’t accept a scoring system where 215.4 gives the same score as 215.9.

It doesn't and I want proof that many people on here not only believe such terrible math, but have stated in believing so as well.  Good luck proving that to me because you won't.

And why does it matter when you've currently got the only score on here anyway on this version?  Someone could come along and whallop your score by two thousand additional kms and a decimal isn't going to save you.

 

-- Posted by DarrylB on 2019-09-22 22:34:14   Reply
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@Frankie:

That was how I scored it in the first place, and was attacked for doing so,

You were NOT "attacked".  You were wrong and me and ZilchSr tried correcting you, then you were the one who attacked us.  I'll be awaiting video showing an odometer that either works in some far out manner or isn't working correctly along with debunking that YouTube video (along with several others, but most of them are short, so I didn't botherlinking to them) and proof of tons and tons of cars made over the decades where odometers somehow do not work in exactly the way I've explained to you.

Either way its the same,

No it's not, it's incorrect.  The final number on the odomter in this game and odometers made for decades is for a tenth of a mile or kilometer depending on the region (possibly; I don't know if Activision corrected for worldwide releases and I don't really care), NOT a thousand miles/kms.

-- Posted by DarrylB on 2019-09-22 22:38:57   Reply
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@GTibel:

Like I said, blame Serious not handling this decimal input .

I'm not blaming Serious for one single second for this, I'm blaming you and Frankie for not understanding how an odometer works.  Good grief.

You can't  deny that it would be illogical that a score of 2300.3 would have the number one spot over a score of 2300.4.

Where on earth would I "deny" this when--and as I insinuated earlier--I never claimed any such damn thing ANYWHERE?

And don't harrish people because of it.

I'm not, I'm pointing out an error.  You and Frankie are wrong.

We're  just playing games.

Not when there's an error and you're pushing to let it pass.  That's cheaing.

This is not TG after all. 

I'm getting pretty fed up with the prejudiced attitudes of people on this thread.  I don't know how TG works and have never made any claim that this site compares with it, nor have I made any comparison with the two sites.

I also have chronic fatigue and I don't appreciate wasting my time explaining things I never stated ever.  Put an end to it and don't do it again.

-- Posted by DarrylB on 2019-09-22 22:44:18   Reply
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@Frankie:

Well said

How is that "well said" when a bit of it didn't apply to me, due to the things I pointed out that I never said ANYWHERE?

Get cracking, Frankie and GT.  You've got work to do, GT having to look up things I never stated on here, along with trying to convince me that odometers have somehow been falseified for decades and work in some different parallel universe that somehow crossed over onto ours for Frankie's job.

-- Posted by DarrylB on 2019-09-22 22:46:28   Reply
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@DarrylB:

Hi Darryl,

I just posted everything what I wanted to say in your reply thread. I know you didn't insult people. And pardon me if I did.

We just want to have a good way of posting decimal scores. Rounding up and down doesn't work either because in your Enduro 2600 example Zilch rounded down and Vectorman rounded up, etc. Or someone should state in the next submission/description that score x.5 and higher should be rounded up. We would have no issues with it, really. Nor have with how it actually is posted.

Because everyone already posted scores like it, we naturally don't post a new score with *10. And the scores go high, so there is little chance that someone gets the same score.

A better example would be Surfing in California Games or Hot Dog in Winter Games. Max score is 10 with possible .x scores. So there you have lot of chances that people would have the same score if you don't apply the *10 formula. Getting a perfect 10 is hard so it would be unfair that someone with 9.7 would be rounded up to 10 and have the same number one spot.

We've been submitting like this for +3 years as far as I know without any issues. Illseabass, S.Baz, Omargeddon, Derek, OriginalGamer, Frankie, Me amongst others I can think of out of my head are posting like this.

Working like you said with rounding up/down, would be a bit unfair wih games like that (with low possible scores). I've done my graduates

Nothing else behind it. I am not native English speaking so when I say "you can't deny", it doesn't mean it's YOU. Maybe I should have said that it's logic that a score of 2300.4 is higher than 2300.3 (even on a odometer laughdevil) .

Don't take this all too serious. It's just gaming. I just didn't like Mr. Zilch insulting some Speccy gamers 'owning' this category while we (or I) know Frankie just loves the ZX and has almost every physical game on it. The same can be said of Mr. Zilch for the VCS and we never insulted him, did we?

 

-- Posted by GTibel on 2019-09-23 02:14:43   Reply
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@GTibel: I gave a simple solution above (removing *10 from the track title, and replacing it with "tenths of a km") that accomplishes 2 things, yet it went ignored: 1. Frankie still gets his way. 2. It makes the scores reported accurate. As far as me insulting him goes, I merely acknowledged that his attitude is douchey. I didnt call him any names, and I didnt swear at him. The only thing I said that could constitute "swearing" was "idgaf anymore", and that applied to myself, not him.
-- Posted by ZilchSr on 2019-09-23 08:49:39   Reply
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@GTibel: ... and I never said "some Speccy gamers own this category". I specifically said Frankie did, because since he is the ZX admin, he does in fact "own" the category, meaning, he's responsible for its administration. I understand Rnglish isnt your first language, so I get that you may have confused the context in my statements.
-- Posted by ZilchSr on 2019-09-23 09:03:07   Reply
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@ZilchSr:

Okay. No issue. in the end, the result is the same (10th of a km or doing *10). As non native English speaker *10 is just easier to understand. My girlfriend had a (big) question mark when I asked her what a 10th of 100.1 km would be.laugh 

With *10 she had no problem.

And no she is not stupid ;)

Cheers from sunny Flanders!

-- Posted by GTibel on 2019-09-23 09:05:40   Reply
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The formula gives a different score for all possible scoes submitted, and is easy to understand, while text easily gets misunderstood. That’s how we have solved this for some years now, and I’m not going to change that.

So far only one have not followed the rules of the game and voted no because of score doesn’t match score on screenshot which is wrong if rules are followed wink

-- Posted by Frankie on 2019-09-23 09:17:22   Reply
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wow, Enduro action heating it up in here!

I thought this way of scoring is fine, and even better than rounding up/down.

Plus we have a lot of tracks scoring this way.

I thought [Tenths of Kilometers] seems better than [Kilometers *10], because it doesn't read like a math problem -- but either way makes sense and they both mean the same thing.

I don't see a problem.

-- Posted by S.BAZ on 2019-11-07 11:18:05   Reply